Leo Ball: The Man
Behind the Horn
Musical Lives, Musical Stories
by Bill Crow
(Written for Allegro, the journal of Local 802, American
Federation of Musicians.)
Leo Ball has been a familiar face around the music world of
both coasts for many years, and at the offices of Local 802
since 1990. He has interviewed many musicians for Allegro,
including Joe Bennett, Chris Griffin, Marty Napoleon, Bucky
Pizzarelli, Joe Wilder, Lew Anderson, Joe Temperley and Bobby
Pring. Now it's his turn to tell his own story. Leo recently sat
down with Bill Crow and gave him an account of the high points
of his life, and some details about his recent brush with
mortality. Here is Leo in his own words...
I was born in Brockton, Mass, in 1927. A funny little town,
made up of various enclaves of races, and they all lived in the
same place: the Polish with the Polish, the Italians with the
Italians, and they all had their areas on the east, north and
south sides. The west side was for people who had made some
money. The west side was no longer racially segregated. You made
it to the west side, and got out of the ghettoes. But the funny
thing was, there was only one high school. So after you stayed
with the gang that you had been with, you were thrown into the
one high school, with all the various tension and races.
My grandfather was a communist: a full blown communist. Both
my grandfathers! My father's father had the first commune in
America, with families living on a communal basis. My
grandfather, my mother's father...all the family was in
Brockton, the Yudovitz family, were Russian Jews. My grandfather
bought a big old apartment house, with stores on the bottom, a
great big old place. He scraped up the money and bought the
place. Of course, he got some income from the stores, but it was
the Depression, terrible times to try to make things happen. He
managed to get the whole family living in this place. It was a
very close experience. My mother, a couple of uncles, my
mother's sister...practically the whole family were living in
this one building.
My cousin upstairs, George Young, played a little guitar. I
got a trumpet, at eight or nine, and he taught me "Bei Mir Bist
Du Schoen." He kept yelling at me because I couldn't get it. He
said, "Come on, man, it's easy!" I was studying with a good
teacher, who had been with some bands and all, a guy named Chet
Gonier. He'd been with some pretty good local bands, territory
bands. He emphasized the right things, reading, time, the Arban
book... he really taught you, he didn't play games with you.
When I got to be about 14, the war was on, and all the older
musicians were being yanked out into the war. The bands were
playing... everybody wanted to hear the music... we had big
bands and every little club had a band. That's all there was at
the time... there was no TV. We had radio and music. Everybody
played. I was not a good musician at all as a young man. But I
could read fly shit. I played in the band in school and all, but
even before high school, I went to work at Fieldston Ballroom,
playing first trumpet. I made everything. I had no problem
reading and playing. Conception, forget it! I was learning....I
was only a baby! Just a kid... but what experience at that age!
I was exposed to the older guys, and the older vices that were
going on...It's really not a good idea...
The name of the band was Upton and Gordon, that was my second
band, and they promised my mother and father faithfully, "We'll
take care of him." And on the very first weekend out, they had a
car with a rumble seat, and they put me and the [female] singer
in the rumble seat. [laughs].
The first band I was with was a band named Ken Cook. I don't
remember the quality of these bands at all, I had no
comprehension of whether it was a good band or a bad band...I'd
just go read the parts. On opening night, we were in some
ballroom...this was my first call, I wasn't even 14 yet, and he
fired me, he paid me 75 cents, and he fired me for picking my
nose on the bandstand!
It was a good time in a lot of ways. I grew up with some
greats. Dick Johnson and I were very close, we both went in the
service the same time, and came out at the same time. He wasn't
even playing then. I was one of the younger guys that was
playing already. He just played a little bit of the blues in
B-flat on clarinet before he went in the service. When he came
out, he was blowing his tail off. He studied hard.
The music scene in town, there were a lot of little clubs,
and you took it for granted when you took a job at one of them,
which I did, especially after I was discharged. I went in the
service in '44, the Navy, I was in a band... and after the war,
I was working all these little clubs in Brockton and the area
around Brockton. I wasn't good enough for Boston, but I was okay
for around Brockton. And you learned a repertoire. Maybe 150
songs you could play, ballads and swing, and Dixie things.
Everything was faked... the only bands that had music were the
big bands. It completely threw me when I came to New York and
met these marvelous players who couldn't play one song top to
bottom!
So you learned, in these clubs. It wasn't jazz, you were
playing for dancing, and there was always a show, comprised of a
comic and a stripper. That was just about everywhere. So you
learned all the stripper songs, like "Harlem Nocturne,"
"Sophisticated Lady," "Caravan." During this period of time I
married my high-school sweetheart, and we had three children.
I'm still a kid... I got started too young. Precocious. I got
her pregnant and married her, and we had three children, and we
were ready to kill each other. So the marriage broke up.
I formed a group with Dick Johnson, and a guy that used to be
a disc jockey here in town named Big Wilson, he played piano,
and a fellow named Bob Shurtleff played drums. He passed away.
They've all passed away, except Dick. We took the band on the
road for McConkey Artists, an agency. We were playing a lot of
Army bases, a little group, we sang. [sings] "Buzzard took the
monkey for a ride in the air...."
And then we traveled for a while with Mike Riley, the comic
trombonist, and he kept hitting me with a bag of water, and I
started to wonder about my career at that point. We were
traveling, following Red Rodney's group. After about a year we
got to the West Coast. Everybody was getting tired of it, so we
broke up in L.A., and everybody went home. I stayed on the
coast.
I went to work for Zeppo Marx - yes the Marx brother! - who
owned a high-temperature coupling plant... airplane
manufacturing. I had a little engineering background, and I
worked there as a planner. I stayed there a year, living in a
place called Pennack-Andersen studios. Everybody had a little
practice room to live in, with a little cot and a little set of
drawers, that was it. One refrigerator, one bathroom, and there
must have been ten or eleven of us living in all these little
practice rooms. There was music 24 hours. Guys playing, and an
open area where the band would rehearse. I got to meet some
wonderful musicians... like Jack Sheldon. He wasn't at all like
he was later... very quiet and introverted. That was good
training. Any time you wanted to play, you played, and if the
band was playing, you'd go and play. The guys were having
sessions day and night.
I studied with Louie Maggio, the famous trumpet teacher out
there. Louie had a thing, when you went to see him, you had to
take a vow that you would not disclose his method to anyone
else. It was a secret thing. And you had to pay him $25, for
five lessons. You'd go to his little shack on Pico and he taught
you the Maggio system.
He was supposed to have been a wonderful trumpet player that
lost his chops, and then went in search of the Brandenburg
Players, the guys who played forever in the upper register...
they were the most incredible trumpet players that ever existed,
and nobody knew how they did it. He was supposed to have
unearthed the archives and discovered the vibratory system that
allowed these guys to be able to play endlessly. You worked from
the very bottom of the instrument...triple C's down...and you'd
build. It was a whole system. He had a lot of good pupils. When
Rafael Mendez hit that door and broke his lip, he went to him
and he got him back on track again. He used to disappear during
your lesson. He had wine out back, homemade house wine.
There was a kid who used to come in before me, I'd sit off to
one side and wait for him to finish... he played pretty strong.
But when he would go up to a certain note, he'd pass out. Louie
would reach quick to try to catch him and the horn. So one week
the kid wasn't there. I asked what happened, and Louie said
"Leo, I'm too old to worry about catching him AND the trumpet,
so I had to let him go." You know, a lot of brass players do get
that blackout thing. It backs up on them or something... we've
all gone through it. A lot of pressure. On every band I've been
on, at one time or another, somebody has blacked out. Gone right
down into the trombones, you know! Everybody... including Billy
May, himself. He went for a note, and down he went!
For a while, I was living in Redondo Beach, where the
Lighthouse is, and I was there the first day Chet Baker ever
showed up. He came down from San Francisco. Shorty Rogers was
the trumpet player at the old Lighthouse, and Chet sat in. He
was the most beautiful looking boy you've ever seen in your
life, and he played beautifully. He wasn't doing anything, he
just played beautifully. He was like a revelation... the
simplicity, the beauty of his playing. Everybody was trying to
play a million notes, and he was just so simple and beautiful.
I was there when Gerry Mulligan arrived from having his
Central Park band, he came out to the coast, and he stayed there
a long time. It was at the Lighthouse that he and Chet met,
Sunday afternoon sessions, the bass player, Howard Rumsey, ran
the whole thing. And they met and got friendly, Gerry and Chet,
and that was when they formed that group that made all that
noise.
Meanwhile, I was studying, and playing some, and working at
this high-temperature coupling plant that Zeppo Marx owned. He
used to come and inspect, and he'd bring his wife... his wife
was the woman that married Sinatra at the end... and she was an
absolutely gorgeous, beautiful woman.
Then I got a call from a guy named Memomata. I was playing
around a little, doing some rehearsals, living at the Pennack
Anderson studios, after Redondo Beach, and I met a lot of guys.
I was starting to play a little, pretty good, and I got a call
to go on the road with a Mexican band named Memomata and his
Orchestra. So I took a leave of absence from the plant. I was
afraid to quit, but that was it. I never stopped playing... that
was the end of it. I went on the road with Memo.
I had a near death experience, on the same highway that James
Dean was killed on. We lost the front left wheel, going down, in
an old, old, Buick. I'm sitting in front with him and his wife,
she was the singer on the band, and there were three other guys
in the back. And the front left wheel came off! We went into the
other lane, with trucks coming. I figured, this is it. The wheel
hit the truck, and bounced back and hit the front of our car,
and veered us off into a ditch. The truck driver stopped, turned
the truck around and came back. He says, "You know, we're all
dead!"
We had to sit there all night... he had no spare tire. So in
the morning we saw a farmhouse about a quarter mile away. We
went there... very nice guy. We told him what happened. He said,
"Why don't I take the tractor and hook you up and pull you out
of there? There's a gas station down about half a mile." So we
go over to the tractor, and leaning against the tractor is the
wheel! It had gone through the field, and all. The farmer had
some wheel lug nuts, so he took us out there, hoisted the car
back up, put the wheel on, and off we went!
We did a tour of the border towns... the little Mexican
cantinas on the other side of the border. That was quite an
experience, a couple of weeks of that. We had a great band, and
like all Latin bands, even out here, the rhythm sections were
completely Latin, and the trumpets were completely American. And
it was "cojuntos" - like, head arrangements. It was good
experience, very exciting. And the most beautiful women you ever
saw in your life. In New York, when I came back here, that was
how I made my living, playing with all the Latin leaders.
When I came back off this tour, I figured, I'm back to the
factory. But I had a message to call a guy, and he said, "Can
you start at Lake Tahoe and play the Latin Quarter Revue?" They
were opening it up for the first time, and Lou Walters was
coming out from the East. They were looking for a lead trumpet
player. I said, "I don't know if I can handle it, but I'll try
it." The leader was Dave Matthews, the tenor player and writer.
That man taught me more... Well, the way it worked out was
funny. I took the job, and went up there... while I had been in
L.A., I had befriended Clyde Reisinger, and Clyde now was on
Xavier Cugat's band, that was also playing one of the big clubs
in Lake Tahoe. A big show... extravaganza. They were leaving for
the Orient... from Tahoe to Vegas for two weeks and then the
Orient.
Clyde had a wife that was insane, she faked an auto accident,
didn't want him to go. He called me about two weeks before the
end of the season and says, "Leo, can you take my place over
here with Cugat? It's not lead trumpet, Johnny Costello is
playing lead. Just third trumpet, but the pay is pretty good,
and they're heading for a tour of the Orient." It was the most
exciting thing I'd heard in my life! I went over and saw the
show, quite a spectacle, with all the dancers, and the band was
good. So I auditioned, and that was the beginning of it. I was
with Cugat off and on for 10 years! I stayed a few years, and
then I left him... changed places with Walt Stuart. Walt came on
Cugat's band, Cugat was looking for a high-note player... and I
took his place on Prado's band. And then back to Cugat. Then
Billy May, the Sam Donahue band with Billy May for a year. Then
back to Cugat.
During this time Cugat moved his base of operations to the
East Coast, and so did I. Two of us drove from Los Angeles to
New York in three days, without stopping. The way we did it,
we'd pick up hitchhikers. There were a lot of servicemen hitch
hiking on the road. First thing I'd say, "Can you drive?" Then
I'd hop in the back seat and sleep until he got as far as he was
going. Then off we'd go again. I was doing this with George
Davolos, he was a dancer. We had to make it in three days,
because on the fourth day they were leaving for Caracas,
Venezuela. Cugat said, "Anybody wants to stay with the band can
stay, but you have to be in New York at such-and-such a time."
We made it, and went on a South American tour with the band. I
had a passport from the tour of the Orient.
We did Roseland a lot. When we were in New York, we never
stopped working. We'd get up in the morning and do a Halo
Shampoo ad, then we'd do recording in the afternoon, and in the
evening we'd do Roseland. Every time we turned around they'd be
throwing checks at us. Not on the road. On the road you got your
weekly salary. But when you were in town, that's when everybody
did everything. An awful lot of recording, and jingles, and we
did a couple of movies. The band was good. Nobody realized it,
but those commercial bands, they were good.
When we came from the west to the east, the trumpet player,
Johnny, didn't come with us. So when I went in for the opening
day down in Caracas, Cugat says, "You sit there." So all of a
sudden I was the lead and solo trumpet player. It worked out
okay, I got past my nerves. But then it started to get to the
point where he was no longer out there all the time. Like all
the bands, he had a lot of time off. So in New York I was
working with the Latin bands and doing weekends with the name
bands. Good bands... I worked with Elliot Lawrence for a while.
That's where I met Al Derisi, playing first trumpet. Guys like
Don Joseph, Tony Fruscella, Dick Sherman, Jack Mootz, they were
all part of that hang out group.
I did all right on those weekend gigs, because I was driving.
The first trumpet player, with Richard Maltby, Eddie Grady...
trumpet player got $35 and ten cents a mile for the car. So if
you did three nights and traveled down to Virginia, when you
came back they'd give you a check for a couple hundred bucks.
That was pretty good in those days. Also I started working club
dates a little bit. Usually with a big band, when they needed a
lead trumpet player for the show, they would use guys like me or
Jerry Kale. Some guys would only play the show, even if they had
to sit there all night. But I wanted to learn the tunes.
I was playing with some very good trumpet players, guys like
Jack Daney, Murray Rothstein, who showed me the club date
routine. I never had the repertoire of some of these guys, like
Daney, Rusty Dedrick... it was hard to stick them on a tune. So
I more or less stopped traveling.
I was studying with Carmine Caruso, day and night. He gave me
lessons the European way, three times a week. I studied Monday,
Wednesday and Friday. At the old Ames studio. He would give me
my lessons before he began his day, between eight and nine. Then
I would go from room to room to room, practicing, until all the
rooms were filled. That's when my playing really started to
improve. I became a much better player during that period.
And then I went with Vic Damone for a year, from 1961 to 62,
and then I got a call to join Paul Anka, who was a hot item at
that time. The first job, at Steel Pier in Atlantic City, wasn't
out on the pier where the bands played, but in the theatre. I
stayed with Paul... we worked maybe six months a year. He was a
rock and roll singer trying to make a transition to a night club
singer. Over in Europe, he was still a star. We'd make our money
over there, and he'd come back here and invest his money in his
night club act. I was playing first trumpet and contracting for
him. I got him lined up with Bill Potts, Billy May, Al Cohn, I
got these guys writing for him.
I was with Anka until the end of the sixties. I started going
with Nancy [Marano] around this time, and we got married. I was
working around town a lot, we got married, had Joanna, and I
became the musical director of the Nanuet theatre. When the
theatre was in financial trouble, Danny Stiles and Charlie
Camilleri and me were drinking in Nanuet, and this guy, a suit,
comes over, talking about the theatre, and he says, "That place
is for sale, for only five million dollars!" Camilleri looks
around at us all and says, "We just need one more guy!"
At the very end of this period of time, when I left Paul and
had the gig at Nanuet, I decided to make an embouchure change. I
don't recommend it to anybody. I was playing good, but I knew if
I wanted to play the way I wanted to, I was going to have to get
my lips in that mouthpiece. I played what they call "wide open
on the red." With small equipment. I was on the red with both
lips. I couldn't do broad lip shakes, and all the things that
good trumpet players were doing. I wanted that technique, and I
knew I was never going to get it without making a change.
I went to Carmine again. He didn't suggest it, but he helped
me along... I put both lips inside the mouthpiece, thinking in a
short time I'd be back where I was. That was the biggest
fallacy... it took me twenty years, because you've still got all
those old tonguing and breathing habits from that first forty
years of playing. And now I'm on another spot, and nothing's
working. Now, finally, it hit.... the last eight or ten years,
I'm able to play the way I want to play. I can do all the stuff
I want to do. I never did get back that real high note screaming
lead thing. I was pretty good up to an F sharp and a G. I wasn't
really looking for that any more. I wanted to play the trumpet
better... get around it better. Get a better sound. And that all
worked out for me.
The last five to seven years has been the most I've ever
enjoyed playing in my life. Isn't that something? And I no
longer have to take the horn on vacation with me. Like, when I
went into the hospital now, with this sickness, I didn't touch
the horn for over a month. When I picked it up, just to play a
couple of notes on it, it was right there! I've got the slot.
Johnny Bellow used to say, "You've got to feel like your
embouchure is like plugging into a socket." I never knew what he
meant, because I never played that way. Now I know what he
meant. Now I've got that. [laughs] I'm a hundred years old, and
I'm probably dying of cancer, and now I know what he's talking
about!
After the Nanuet Theatre, the embouchure change wasn't
working, and pretty soon the phone stopped ringing. I realized I
had to do something, so I got the job as the playing contractor
for Joe Carroll. It was good enough. I was in a spin, but I was
able to get through. I felt terrible all the time. Awful way to
play.
I was with Carroll for ten or fifteen years as contractor and
player. I made a good living, as he was quite busy. And then, as
his work dwindled, I got the call from Johnny Glasel to ask if
I'd want to take a crack at doing the new paymaster plan they
had going at 802. He gave me confidence to do it. I learned, I
applied myself... I've been doing this 15 years now, it's
amazing! I've built the business, some of the people didn't
think we'd get anybody... and now I'm doing... last month alone
I did $250,000 in contracts!
And about ten years ago, I got married again, to Shane, a
great lady. It was good. Then from out of nowhere after just a
year, she had a bad stroke... she lost the full capacity of her
right side, plus aphasia. So I dealt with that for a year and a
half, as a caregiver. And then one day we're ready to go out for
dinner with Meldonian and his wife, and we're waiting for them
in the apartment, and she's sitting in the wheelchair, and all
of a sudden she screamed, and grabbed her chest, and that was
it. I called the paramedics, and she was gone. She had a massive
heart attack. I haven't married since then [laughs ruefully].
Taking care of Shane that last year and a half turned me
inside out. It's hard to explain, to take care of someone that
you care for like that. The heartbreak and the anger, and not
wanting to do it. And feeling cheated, being angry at the person
because they're sick, because they're ruining your life... it's
hard to deal with. Dealing with your own anger at this having
happened. I didn't have anybody to help... just me and her. You
feel like a real shit. She's sick, and I'm angry at her for
being sick. I think it's sort of common.
Anyway, about five or six years ago, after Shane died, I was
having palpitations. I thought it was all anxiety. But I went to
a doctor, and my blood pressure was very high. He put me on some
medication and a regimen, to get the pressure down. He was the
kind of doctor that saw you every six weeks. He would recheck
and recheck and recheck. He was really the most thorough doctor
I've ever known. About two years ago when he took x-rays, he
thought he saw something. He had me take a CAT scat, and nothing
showed up at all. He took x-rays every few months, and still
nothing showed up. You couldn't see anything. And then the last
set he took in December, he said, "Leo, go get another CAT
scan." When they came back, he called me up and said "Come get
your pictures, and take them immediately to Mount Sinai." That's
when they diagnosed cancer in the right lung. Luckily, it hadn't
escaped the lung. It wasn't in my throat, it wasn't in my chest,
it wasn't in my head. So they were able to chop out the lung...
they left a lobe, one third. I play the same, but shorter
phrases. [laughs] My ballads sound like: [sings "Tenderly" with
a breath after every four notes.]
I've had a good run. I'm sure you feel the same way about
your life. So whatever happens... we're getting up there, now,
man... we've lived 78 years, and so of course we're going to
die, everybody dies. My attitude's okay about it. You never know
how you're going to feel about these things until they happen to
you. It's just, you roll the dice, and there you are. A couple
of times in the hospital, I got down, way down. I even said to
the doctor, "Why don't you leave me alone? Why did you have to
do this to me?" I was feeling pretty low. But he wouldn't hear
of it. "No, we did the right thing. And you're going to know
that as time goes on." There's a chance that it will return, but
of course they're on top of it, I see doctors every other day.
So there's a pretty good chance that, even if there is a return,
they'll be able to handle it. It's funny, isn't it? What a world
we live in!
But my attitude's okay, and if something happens now, that's
okay, too. It's not what I had in mind, but... It's like, all of
a sudden, getting a pail of water in the face. Like, "Oh, I am
NOT immortal!" And then you come to terms with it. It's amazing,
you find out how many people care about you when something like
that happens. The outpouring of feeling from a lot of people.
It's a nice feeling.